Lol, I'm glad you like the screencap! Rene's Odo expressions are so good. XD
I feel like we picked out a lot of the same funny or charming parts of this episode!
Regarding Quark and Ishka's argument: Yeah, it's funny because the first time I watched this episode, I remember that scene being really tense and I wasn't surprised Ishka collapsed during it because I found it quite stressful and high-stakes. But rewatching it, it didn't really hit the same way at all and I felt there was something almost joking or "for show" about the way the two of them were arguing. But there were a lot of strange acting/delivery choices in this episode so I felt like I generally had a lot of trouble trying to figure out what was the intention of each scene.
Regarding Pel fix-it for this episode: Yeah, just in general, seeing Ishka and Pel interact would have been so good to have in DS9. I feel like Quark has a lot of mommy issues, and seeing the similarities between Pel and Ishka would have made that even more obvious. XD I haven't read it myself, but someone apparently wrote a Pel/Quark fix-it fic for this episode where she gets called in to replace Ishka: https://archiveofourown.org/works/31128467
Regarding Quark not learning anything in this episode: Yeah, that definitely bothers me. I wonder if the problems with the ending go even deeper than that, though. One thing I noticed about the ending is that Quark's initial "oh, forget what I said, that was wrong of me, let me make it up to you" reaction to Aluura raising the topic of oo-mox again makes sense given that he now knows what sexual harassment feels like... but what DOESN'T make sense is that, after it's clear that Aluura was actually interested, Quark still passes on oo-mox with her and it's treated as if he's trying to stay firm in his moral convictions, and then when he changes his mind, it's treated like a "oh Quark, you're incorrigible" sort of moment. But it doesn't make any sense??? Like, what in Quark's experiences as a woman would convince him that it's important to hold firm against the temptation of sleeping with someone who actually wants to sleep with him? Like, the episode treats Quark as backsliding here, but IS it backsliding to correctly pick up when someone is making a pass at you? I feel like the way the episode is written indicates a lack of understanding of the experience of sexual harassment and how it differs from just flirtation or expressing an interest in sex.
Anyway, thank you for sharing those tidbits on Armin's thoughts on "Profit and Lace"! The way the episode cancels out Quark's character growth at the end is definitely aggravating.
What would an Odo and Quark conversation about Ferengi gender politics even be like? This is a good question! I'm trying to remember if Odo ever comments on Ferengi gender politics in canon. The closest I can think of right now is that in "Family Business," Odo is a bit scandalized by the hostile/disrespectful way Quark talks about his mother. And also, Quark briefly alludes to Ferengi law regarding women making profit in that scene, but Odo doesn't really react or express a negative opinion to it.
My guess is that Odo basically disapproves of sexism but also doesn't feel like it's his place to lecture anyone on this issue since he's neither a Ferengi nor a woman. Well, I'm guessing Odo has experienced life as a woman but in societies that are less sexist than Ferengi society or basically gender-egalitarian, and he (like most people outside Ferenginar) have met so few Ferengi women that he wouldn't feel informed enough to advocate for their interests. But his instincts would still point him in the direction of thinking Ferengi sexism is wrong.
So yeah, my guess is that Odo might make a sarcastic or disapproving comment here and there to try to push Quark a bit on it, but he wouldn't be interested in getting into a full debate, unless that was what Quark was looking for.
I feel like there is potential for the hug to have been longer/more Quodoy if it had only been the two of them. I'm now imagining Quark inviting Odo over to his quarters for a private cuddling session. XD
Odo would definitely become a master at some of the oo-mox techniques, and accidentally invent half a dozen new ones. XD
Fun thoughts on this episode -- thank you for sharing them!
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I feel like we picked out a lot of the same funny or charming parts of this episode!
Regarding Quark and Ishka's argument: Yeah, it's funny because the first time I watched this episode, I remember that scene being really tense and I wasn't surprised Ishka collapsed during it because I found it quite stressful and high-stakes. But rewatching it, it didn't really hit the same way at all and I felt there was something almost joking or "for show" about the way the two of them were arguing. But there were a lot of strange acting/delivery choices in this episode so I felt like I generally had a lot of trouble trying to figure out what was the intention of each scene.
Regarding Pel fix-it for this episode: Yeah, just in general, seeing Ishka and Pel interact would have been so good to have in DS9. I feel like Quark has a lot of mommy issues, and seeing the similarities between Pel and Ishka would have made that even more obvious. XD I haven't read it myself, but someone apparently wrote a Pel/Quark fix-it fic for this episode where she gets called in to replace Ishka: https://archiveofourown.org/works/31128467
Regarding Quark not learning anything in this episode: Yeah, that definitely bothers me. I wonder if the problems with the ending go even deeper than that, though. One thing I noticed about the ending is that Quark's initial "oh, forget what I said, that was wrong of me, let me make it up to you" reaction to Aluura raising the topic of oo-mox again makes sense given that he now knows what sexual harassment feels like... but what DOESN'T make sense is that, after it's clear that Aluura was actually interested, Quark still passes on oo-mox with her and it's treated as if he's trying to stay firm in his moral convictions, and then when he changes his mind, it's treated like a "oh Quark, you're incorrigible" sort of moment. But it doesn't make any sense??? Like, what in Quark's experiences as a woman would convince him that it's important to hold firm against the temptation of sleeping with someone who actually wants to sleep with him? Like, the episode treats Quark as backsliding here, but IS it backsliding to correctly pick up when someone is making a pass at you? I feel like the way the episode is written indicates a lack of understanding of the experience of sexual harassment and how it differs from just flirtation or expressing an interest in sex.
Anyway, thank you for sharing those tidbits on Armin's thoughts on "Profit and Lace"! The way the episode cancels out Quark's character growth at the end is definitely aggravating.
What would an Odo and Quark conversation about Ferengi gender politics even be like?
This is a good question! I'm trying to remember if Odo ever comments on Ferengi gender politics in canon. The closest I can think of right now is that in "Family Business," Odo is a bit scandalized by the hostile/disrespectful way Quark talks about his mother. And also, Quark briefly alludes to Ferengi law regarding women making profit in that scene, but Odo doesn't really react or express a negative opinion to it.
My guess is that Odo basically disapproves of sexism but also doesn't feel like it's his place to lecture anyone on this issue since he's neither a Ferengi nor a woman. Well, I'm guessing Odo has experienced life as a woman but in societies that are less sexist than Ferengi society or basically gender-egalitarian, and he (like most people outside Ferenginar) have met so few Ferengi women that he wouldn't feel informed enough to advocate for their interests. But his instincts would still point him in the direction of thinking Ferengi sexism is wrong.
So yeah, my guess is that Odo might make a sarcastic or disapproving comment here and there to try to push Quark a bit on it, but he wouldn't be interested in getting into a full debate, unless that was what Quark was looking for.
I feel like there is potential for the hug to have been longer/more Quodoy if it had only been the two of them.
I'm now imagining Quark inviting Odo over to his quarters for a private cuddling session. XD
Odo would definitely become a master at some of the oo-mox techniques, and accidentally invent half a dozen new ones. XD
Fun thoughts on this episode -- thank you for sharing them!